on Islamic State
Sunday, March 30, 2008
I just received
an email about the upcoming debate on Islamic state, and I was completely taken
back at the fiction Mr. Zuhdi Jasser is concoting and then solving it, and of
course becoming a darling to the Neo-cons*
First of all, I
must acknowledge my respect for Mr. Zhudi Jasser for the 99 good things he
does, but on this upcoming debate, he is wrong, per the information presented
in the item received from him.
He seems to have a misunderstanding of Main stream Muslims and I have to call
him on this. He once stated that all mosques in America deliver hate sermons, I
asked him to prove it. Which he corrected to at least not the mosques he had
visited. Even Wall Street Journal had printed that a while back, I wrote to
them to prove it. Both have passed out this rumor as a fact. It is not building
healthy and truthful and peaceful societies.
I hope we can work on legislation that would require all public lectures and
sermons to be recorded and made available through internet and public archives.
Any hate sermon, any incitement or whole sale prejudices must be called to
justify. Just as one cannot shout “Fire” in a public place to disrupt peace,
one should not be allowed to spew hate in public. This applies to all places of
worship and non profits that are using public benefit through tax exemption.
A statement is ascribed to Mr. Zuhdi Jasser as “a self-proclaimed ‘Moderate’
Muslim from Arizona…and whose views on Islam are well outside the scope of the
mainstream Muslim world”. Indeed, his understanding appears to be outside the
scope of the Mainstream Muslim World. Mr. Zuhdi Jasser is not in touch.
The mainstream Americans, Main stream British, Indians or Main stream Muslims,
Hindus, Christians and Jews are moderate people who want to get along with all.
They are no bigots, they believe in living their life and letting others live
theirs. The do not aspire or conspire for secretive societies, they do not want
to rule by injustice and push their ideas on to others, as they believe, if you
are unjust, you are going to pay. They are law abiding citizens, where as the
Neocons are not. Every one of them has fouled or still to be caught.
Mr. Zuhdi lacks understanding of the mainstream Muslim world, let alone
mainstream America. Extremism is not a mainstream staple, it is a fringe of the
society. Neocons and Islamists are indeed fringe elements of the society. They
are incapable of dialogue, they rather use the megaphones or gunpowder and
bulldoze all who oppose them, because they are insecure and abuse the power
they have by pushing others. They will silence you by calling you unpatriotic
if you question them. Their time is up now, thank God.
The Neocons, the Islamists, the Zionists and the Hindutvadis are a tiny-weenie
minority driving the world by frightening the crap out of constipated men.
Their time is up too and I pray that the see the benefit in dialogue and
conflict mitigation as a path to peace, peace to them and every one around
them. I pray that they jump on this path to bring peace, I know they will
succeed, as they have the passion and funds to do it.
The mainstream Muslims do not aspire or have any thing to do with "Is the
Ideological Desire to Establish an Islamic State a Clear and Present Danger to
the U.S.?" They have come to America to be free and not have another
lawless society in the name of any religion, be it their own.
The words appeal to the money throwing Neocons, who love the above words "
clear and present danger". It is a frightening tactic to keep their grip.
The main stream Muslim knows deeply in his hearts that, democracy is the right
form of governance. No doubt, there are a few out there, who dream Islamic form
of government, which is about justice, but by no stretch of imagination they
are main stream.
Even those in the Mainstream Muslims who may dream of the Islamic rule, will
not do anything to make it happen, as no form of current label of Islamic rule
works. None of the Saudi, Irani, Afghani or Sudanese brand will work. They
would rather opt for the democracy as in Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan (now),
Turkey, Bangladesh and India – together Muslims in these democracies make about
2/3rds of Muslim world.
Main stream Muslims do want democracy, and a nation where justice prevails.
They do not want the kind of Khilafat that is projected by the Neocons “they
are here to dominate and subjugate others.” Absolute baloney! No significant
group of Muslims wants that. However, they do wish a Pope like figure who can
make small petty decisions and give relief to apostates, rape victims, divorce
and other issues, but it ain’t going to happen.
Islam is not designed to have a pope. Neither the Qur’aan nor the Prophet
assigned a person to interpret the Qur'aan for the Muslims. The prophet said,
you are individually accountable on the day of reckoning, so it is your
responsibility to read and understand the book I am leaving behind for you.
Islam took the priesthood off from controlling the knowledge and influencing
the masses, the community is free to learn and practice their religion on their
own. It was like internet in 612 AD, Prophet Muhammad making the knowledge
available to every one.
To be a Muslim
is to be a peace maker; one who constantly seeks to mitigate conflicts and
nurtures goodwill for co-existence and world peace - God wants his creation to
be in peace and harmony, and that is the chief purpose of religion.
Thus the role of the Caliph was state administration, but people opted to seek
knowledge from them, as the first four rightly guided caliphs had a full
understanding of the religion. (Read the balance created between the Scholars
and the Caliphs from 9th Centurn onwards
In essence there is a separation of church and state. Muslims had a plurlistic
society during the Prophet's time, infact the Madina declaration may be first
of its kind where state signed a joint treaty among the people of different
faiths to practice their faith freely. Muslims never had that opportunity until
the mid of the last century. Indeed, America was the only nation on the earth
that had democracy some 225 years ago, every nation on the earth until recently
was a colony, tyranny, monarchy or dictatorship. Neocons are a hurdle for
democracy, if God can help put Obama in place, we can see democracies around
the world flourishing, it is his attitude, lack of arrogance and the desire to
accommodate that will change the world for Good. Presently 2/3rds of Muslims
live in democracy; it may go up to 75% or higher while still a whole lot of
world needs to embrace democracy including our current president.
In conclusion, the debate is healthy and would be an opportunity to establish
that Mainstream Muslims do not want any form of governance other than
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Debate on Islamic State
You are invited to "THE GREAT DEBATE” A Muslim Debate
Is the Ideological Desire to Establish an Islamic State a Clear and Present
Danger to the U.S.?"
...come and witness an example of a real contest of ideas within the Muslim
community in what is one of the most critical issues of this century.
WHEN: SATURDAY, APRIL 5, 6:30 – 9:30pm
WHO: The debate will be between Dr. Zuhdi Jasser & Imam Al-Darsani
Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, Phoenix,
Imam Mohamed Al-Darsani of the Islamic Center for Peace in Fort Myers, Florida.
WITH MODERATOR: Michael Cromartie, Vice-President, Ethics and Public Policy
Center, Washington, D.C.
WHAT: THEY WILL DEBATE THE FOLLOWING QUESTION in an established debate format:
Is the ideological desire to establish an Islamic state a clear and present
danger to the United States of America? (Dr. Jasser will debate the affirmative
and Imam Al-Darsani will debate the negative)
Other issues covered may include:
Islam v. Islamist
Koran v. Constitution
Role of political Islam in America
Role of political Islam as a root cause of Islamist terror
Status of Jews and Christians
Terror and Al Qaeda
SPONSORED BY: THE FLORIDASECURITY COUNCIL www.FloridaSecurityCouncil.org
WHERE: EDISON COLLEGE IN NAPLES FLORIDA. 7007 Lely Cultural Pkwy, Naples,
Reserve your free seats at:
Do not delay - Seating is very limited
BACKGROUND: The debate evolved after a National Security Briefing in Naples on
February 23rd held by the Florida Security Council which showed the film
"Obsession" followed by a panel discussion of experts concerning the
threat of Radical Islamism upon the West.
Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser was among the anti-terrorism experts included on the panel
following the showing of the film.
Imam Mohamed Al-Darsani was present at the event and during the Q+A period
objected to the film and the discussion.
Tom Trento, Director of the Florida Security Council after the event stated,
“Moreover, the Imam from the ICP, Mohamed Al-Darsani, in print afterwards and
before the audience of almost 400, indicated that the whole evening was just an
effort to scare people with a film that is propaganda and a guest speaker who
is quote, a “self-proclaimed ‘Moderate’ Muslim from Arizona…and whose views on
Islam are well outside the scope of the mainstream Muslim world”.
Thus, the possibility of a public debate between Dr. Jasser and Imam Mohamed
Al-Darsani was subsequently raised in order to formally discuss the central
issues which divide Islamists from Americans.
The Florida Security Council stepped in to organize and sponsor the debate.
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